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Read Chapter two before responding.

The copious amount of ash produced by coal-burning furnaces throughout the city had to go somewhere, and one dumping ground was in Corona, Queens, or as Fitzgerald refers, the valley of ashes:

“This is the valley of ashes, a fantastic farm where ashes grow like wheat into ridges and hills and grotesque gardens; where ashes take the form of houses and chimneys and rising smoke and, finally, with a transcendent effort, of men who move dimly and already crumbling through the powdery air. Occasionally a line of gray cars crawls . . . immediately the ash-gray men swarm up with leaden spades . . . which screens their obscure operations from your sight” (23).

The valley of ashes is everything the Eggs appear not to be—appear being the key word. One critic says that the valley of ashes symbolizes the moral decay which is veiled by the wealthy appearance of the Eggs; beneath this outward appearance (pretention) is the same ugliness that runs through the valley of ashes.

Do you agree or disagree with this based on what we’ve read thus far? Think about the description of both the Eggs and the valley of ashes. Support your response with specific encounters, interactions, and inferences.

Next, think about your own lives and experiences. Do outward appearances always project accurate inner character? Think about social class (including the poorest of characters presented in the valley of ashes). Can one truly be above someone? Or are we all rather grounded to some mutual root? How does this relate to the story and how would this affect the American dream?

Think about this before responding—there is much more going on here than what appears (just like the Eggs!). A thorough response is assured the entire twenty points—so make it thorough!


Harley Berlesky
9/26/2012 06:43:53 am

I agree with what the critic says. I feel that the Eggs are just a way to try to divide the people living there. They are just a way to start rivalries between the two areas. The Eggs seem happy and strong on the outside but the people inside are not. Many couples are having affairs and dont even care, which in the long run will hurt the overall appearance of the Eggs to other people.

I do sometimes think that overall outward appearance projects a persons inner character. How you are on the outside reflects who you are on the inside.I don't think that anyone is truly above another, I feel that we are all the same in at least one way if not many.Many of the characters, like Daisy, think they are better than who they are married to so go out with other people because thay think they are that much better, when really they are the same in some way.

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Nebojsa Varagic
9/30/2012 06:36:56 am

I don't agree because they're judging the valley of ashes just by what it looks like. I don't think outward appearances always project accurate inner character. I also don't think one can be above someone. I think that we just put our selves where we think we are. That affect the American Dream because if you think your above someone then you're American Dream is different then theirs.

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Andrew
9/30/2012 10:11:16 am

I do not believe that a persons outer appearance foreshadows that persons inner character. This simply goes back to the saying "Do not judge a book by its cover." You can never really judge a person without knowing what there really about. The most cruel and poor looking human being can be the nicest selfless person, but you wouldn't know it unless you know them. I don't think the eggs are any better than the valley of ashes. The eggs have inner qualities that that are uglier than the valley of ashes. Which leads me to believe that the eggs an the valley of ashes aren't as different as they may seem on the outside.

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Courtney Cook
10/1/2012 07:05:26 am

I agree with what the critic says. I feel like the eggs are trouble, people believe one thing but really reality is completely different. They aren't happy. And I think someones outter apperence can reflect who they are on the inside.

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Continued... Courtney Cook
10/1/2012 07:07:59 am

Sterotypes are made for a reason! Sometimes how you come off by body language is how you are towards others. But then again everyone can no one has the right to judge one another unless they personally know them.

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Masa Sasic
10/1/2012 09:23:13 am

I agree that the valley of ashes appear to be everything that the Eggs are not but underneath is just like the Eggs. The Eggs appear to be a nice friendly clean place where it is nice to live especially east Egg which seems like a civilized and fashionable place to live. Both of the Eggs are on parcels of land that look a lot alike and are mistaken for each other but one is occupied but the rich while the other is occupied by the middle class. That shows how appearances can be deceiving. The east Egg appears to be a place where you would think that one would be happy but he is not happy and you would think that tom and his wife would have a good marriage but they do not. I do not think that out word appearances always project a accurate inner character. I think this because you can't tell if someones good or bad rich or poor by the way they look on the outside. I think that someone can be above someone but we all have a mutual root. This related to the American dream because it would mean that all people could not be or become what ever they wished to be.

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Spencer Walker
10/1/2012 09:33:19 am

I agree with what the critics say. Eggs are a great way to divide peoples personality's and differences as well. People must feel like an egg, always stay strong on the outside, but be a little thoughtful on the and soft on the inside.

Outward lives and appearances do make people project an inner character. One cannot rise above someone. But one can be a leader, and a symbol to others. No one is grounded. This relates to the American Dream because the American Dream wanted a perfect life. No one is perfect.

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Matthew Underwood
10/1/2012 09:49:08 am

I agree with the critic partially. I think he is correct in saying the valley is the moral decay of the Eggs. The reason I believe this is the fact that the eggs look down on the valley and they do not think the same of them as they do themselves.
No I do not believe in every case the outside of a character depicts the inner of that person. No I don’t think you can truly be above someone. Yes you can be better off but not above. This relates to the story because that is how nick looks at the world. Yes this could affect the American dream because if someone thinks they are better than you than they feel they can make you look bad on treat you bad.

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Hunter Sherman
10/1/2012 10:04:48 am

I agree with what the critic says. I think the eggs have a harsh community they try to say how they have to live and the eggs have a lot of cheating going on.
I think some people think that they can be.above some people but they are really just like everyone else. This story would affect the American dream because some people don't

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Kaylee Godbey
10/1/2012 10:48:28 am

I agree with the critic. The author describes the eggs as something beautiful. On the other hand, he describes the human life inside the eggs as somewhere you would not want to be. Marrage is not what it should be, with couples that don't like each other.

I don't judge people on the outside because looks can be misleading. Someone that is dressed nice doesn't always mean that they are nice people to be with. The rich may have more things but doesn't mean they are smarter. No one is above another. A lot of people like to think they are above everyone else but they are not. Everyone can not be the same but we can try just to fail. There are people that try to be someone else but never happy in life. A dream is truly all about what you want.

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greg smith
10/1/2012 11:35:19 am

I agree with what the critics say. I feel that the Eggs are just a way of making the valley of ashes look worse than it is. I feel that the Eggs are just all show, and in reality they are the same on the inside as the valley of ashes is. Also people may look like they have great living conditions and lives, but in all reality they are just as corrupt as the next persons.

I don't always think that a persons overall appearance reflects their inner character. I think this because most people act differently when they are around their friends, or if they were around teachers. and how you look doesn't necessarily mean that you act a certain way. An example of this would be Mr.Gatsby when Nick finally finds him. He looked nothing at all like what he though a millionaire would look like.

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Abbey Stith
10/1/2012 11:50:47 am

I absoulty agree with the critic, so far the East and West Eggs have shown people who live there have money and seem to have a higer ranking in society over the ashes. I think of the Eggs having a status like the 9021 or the Hamptons when being compared to the ashes. You have to uphold certain qualitites and have a "status" that allows you to live where most people dream about living if they could.

Most of the time outward apperances do infact project inner character. I strongly disagree with the opinion of beauty being whats on the inside. Yes there is more to beauty than having a pretty smile and a nice body but your inner beauty should be reconized in an outward manner aswell. So I believe what you portray on the outside has a lot to do with your inner character.

I do believe in social classes people can be above someone but we all come from a mutural root. It truly comes down to what you make of your own life. Everyone has the same oppertunites in life but it depends on how bad you are willing to work for it. Somethings in life are handed to people, but we all have the chance to get there. I think this is something that keeps the "American Dream" alive if people have this mind set that they can accomplished anything they just have to believe in themselves. But they can not think of all the times they have been short handed and how much harder they had to work than the person next to them, because we all are capable of the same dream it's just how bad do you want it?

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Noah White
10/1/2012 12:06:29 pm

I do agree with what the critics say at this point. But at the same time I feel that it may not end up that way.

I don't necessarily feel that a person's appearance on the outside is how that person is on the inside. Which also supports my answer above. How a person is on the outside doesn't really have anything to do with how they're feeling or how they treat other people.

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Reed Shump
10/1/2012 12:19:30 pm

I agree with the statement. I think that the eggs are just a way to try to divide the people living there. The eggs seem happy on the outside nevertheless the people inside are not happy. They start conflicts among the 2 parts. However, in the end it will hurt the general presence of the eggs to other people.

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Reed Shump
10/1/2012 12:19:51 pm

I don’t believe that anyone is better than one another .I think that overall outward appearance developes a person’s inner character. I think you are the same on the outside and inside. I feel that we are all the same in at least one way if not many. Several of the characters, Daisy for example, believe that they are better than the one she married so she goes out with other people, which isn’t right.

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Jenny Thomas
10/1/2012 01:00:12 pm

I do agree with what the critic says. I think that the ugly factors of the Valley of Ashes are covered by the rich factors of the Eggs. The Eggs seem to be sturdy but really they are not.
I do not think ones outward appearance always projects someone's inner character. A true life example would be when the woman from Brown Mackie came in and showed us the picture of the guy with tattoos we all thought he was mean and a bad guy all because of his outward appearance, but really he was a sweet nice guy with a wife and two kids, and he was a passionate person. We can’t always take someone’s appearance and automatically assume that’s the way they are.
I don’t think one could truly be above another, sure u can have more things than one another but does that really matter? I don’t think so. People are their own person, and there shouldn’t ever be a normal perfect person. We are all different in our own ways therefore one cannot be better than one another.

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10/1/2012 01:00:55 pm

ummm, I guess I agree. I mean the Eggs are like any other family they seem happy but they're not just like that Toadstol guy once said "All happy family's are alike but every unhappy family is unhappy in their own way." The districts I guess you would call them that have some sort of beef with each other. Also the Eggs are sleepin around which isn't very good for their rep. either. That daisy chick is so stuck up, she needs to cut that out for real though because she is no better than anyone else up in this book. Shes a person just like everyone else so she can get off her high horse.

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Mikey Santucci
10/1/2012 02:00:44 pm

I agree because East and West egg are both very superficial. Everyone there never had to work for what they have and they do not know what it is like to live in the real world. The people that live in the Valley of Ashes work hard and they have something to work for. The Eggs seem rich and they seem concrete but really, no one cares and no one is a real person..

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Mikey Santucci
10/1/2012 02:05:48 pm

I agree because East and West egg are both very superficial. Everyone there never had to work for what they have and they do not know what it is like to live in the real world. The people that live in the Valley of Ashes work hard and they have something to work for. The Eggs seem rich and they seem concrete but really, no one cares and no one is a real person. I do not necessarily think that overall outward appearance projects a person’s inner character. How you are on the outside does not reflect who you are on the inside. For example, just because you work hard and have dirt on your clothes does not make you a lesser person than a rich person. I don't think that anyone is truly above another, I feel that we are all the same in many ways. Many of the characters, like Daisy, think they are better than their peers because they think they are that much better, when really they are the same in mutiple ways.

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Randi Artrip
10/3/2012 01:08:15 pm

I agree with the critic. The Eggs appear to be happy but really they are not. The valley of ashes almost shows how the Eggs really on on the inside, ugly and bad.
I don't think that outward appearances always project inner character. The way you look doesn't always effect how you act. I dont think one can truly be above someone. Everyone has faults about them and no one is perfect. Tom thinks he is above other races, when really he is as equal as anyone else is.

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